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Mechanics and Construction => Mechanics and Construction => Topic started by: arexx on November 21, 2010, 08:19:54 AM

Title: 4,5 kg/cm for 15 kg wheelie thing
Post by: arexx on November 21, 2010, 08:19:54 AM
2 motors with roughly 9 kg/cm of stall torque are enough for a 2 wheeled car with around 30 kg of weight? the wanted rps is around 1.

Ive used the RMF, but all servos ive found have the torque in kg/cm, yet here its kg/m. and if im doing the math correctly, ill need a gazzilion servos, lol

cheers
Title: Re: 4,5 kg/cm for 15 kg wheelie thing
Post by: waltr on November 21, 2010, 09:58:51 AM
There are many on-line conversion apps to convert the torque units which are handy to check your math.

You may not find large enough hobby servos for this although there are some very large servos made.
A better choice would be gear motors and a motor driver/controller circuit.
Title: Re: 4,5 kg/cm for 15 kg wheelie thing
Post by: arexx on November 21, 2010, 10:30:53 AM
There are many on-line conversion apps to convert the torque units which are handy to check your math.

You may not find large enough hobby servos for this although there are some very large servos made.
A better choice would be gear motors and a motor driver/controller circuit.



So the servos in question will NOT work? crap :S.

by gear motors you mean DC, i suppose. I was thinking about using an arduino board, what else will I need to get?
Title: Re: 4,5 kg/cm for 15 kg wheelie thing
Post by: rbtying on November 21, 2010, 10:57:14 AM
There are many on-line conversion apps to convert the torque units which are handy to check your math.

You may not find large enough hobby servos for this although there are some very large servos made.
A better choice would be gear motors and a motor driver/controller circuit.



So the servos in question will NOT work? crap :S.

by gear motors you mean DC, i suppose. I was thinking about using an arduino board, what else will I need to get?

You'll need a motor driver that can handle the voltage and current passing through the motors, and probably some sort of feedback to make a closed-loop control system. 

Just a note:  Most of the robots that run on modified servos mass < 3kg.  It's not really surprising that a 30kg bot can't use them.
Title: Re: 4,5 kg/cm for 15 kg wheelie thing
Post by: waltr on November 21, 2010, 11:54:02 AM
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what else will I need to get?
As I posted above:
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and a motor driver/controller circuit

Title: Re: 4,5 kg/cm for 15 kg wheelie thing
Post by: arex on November 23, 2010, 05:19:58 PM
And can two servos with 20kg cm stall torque move a wheelie with 15kg?
Title: Re: 4,5 kg/cm for 15 kg wheelie thing
Post by: Soeren on November 23, 2010, 08:32:16 PM
Hi,

And can two servos with 20kg cm stall torque move a wheelie with 15kg?
Stall torque is not the only important parameter, but assuming you didn't put 15kg on their axles and they each has got 20kg-cm, yes, they would be able to move it, very slowly, on a level plane, as long as your wheels are less than 5.3cm in diameter - make the wheels 5.4cm and it won't budge.
The output shafts on a regular servo won't like the load or the direction of same, but it could be coupled to an axle mounted in bearings.

Servo motors are ridiculously small though and get their strength at the cost of slow speed due to heavy gearing. If you want your vehicle to move in a fashion that'll keep you from dosing off, use gear motors.
Title: Re: 4,5 kg/cm for 15 kg wheelie thing
Post by: arexx on November 24, 2010, 10:31:03 AM
Thanks for the reply!

I need 1 rps roughly, so it should be ok?

and, in case i end up using DC motors, any suggestions on the switch control on the H bridge? with an arduino board and the ports id like to close and open the switches... ive thought about some LED and LDR system to control the passage of current, but I dont really see that working

thanks A LOT :P