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Mechanics and Construction => Mechanics and Construction => Topic started by: cooldog on January 30, 2008, 08:57:37 PM
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i will be using this thread as a base for my laser cutter. this is where you can post questions and comments. i will start another thread for the actual construction.
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i through that a laser cutter fits in with robotics so that i can make pro make parts in my garage. i will be building one of there two lasers
http://www.instructables.com/id/Laser-wood-burning-pen/
http://www.instructables.com/id/Laser-Flashlight-Hack!!/
i will mount this laser on a platform that will be able to move forward, backwards, left and right. it will operated by hand because i don't have any experience making it move from pics on the computer. it's should be able to cut through Styrofoam and signboard (the two main materials that i use in my robot chasi. i will start construction on February, 15, 2008. (i have term projects to get done).
just thought i would post this
thanks,
cooldog
P.S. sorry admin if this is one of the useless posts that you have been taking about
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why laser, laser is very dangerous
to cut stryofoam use a hotwire styrofoam cutter
and why have a chassis out of those materials?Those materials will fall apart quickly.
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I think that's too dangerous. If you do it WEAR laser eye protection. One sec of that and you could become blind. Second of all if you're going to move it, your hands will get in the way. Wouldn't want that to happen would you? You can cut styrofoam with a knife (i think). And won't styrofoam melt from the laser?
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ya my advice is to not use lasers to cut things. it is very dangerous and is pretty useless as opposed to melting the foam!
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and why have a chassis out of those materials?Those materials will fall apart quickly.
true but there the best free materials i find on a day to day basis
i know that you will all say that it to dangeruse but i guess you can say it is more for the fun of it.
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Why no get a suitable drill and make a milling machine type of thing, then you can cut more stuff reliably. Also if you can control it with a pic thats connect through uart to a pc. Or just make a control pad directly on the pic
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i've been thinking maybe i can use a key pad to control it. so that i don't have to touch it and i don't have to put it through a computer
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My advice is DO NOT USE LASERS TO CUT STUFF!!!
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My advice is DO NOT USE LASERS TO CUT STUFF!!!
but there fun
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True, but lasers that powerful are also EXTREMLY dangerous.
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I must agree with Cooldog about it would be a totally awesome project! And laser does make some nice edges vs machine. However, I don't know how attainable this project is and realistic as far as functionality. I know of a few machine shops that have very powerful laser to cut and weld (works nicely for aluminum because of temp i guess). If you want something safe ;) and attainable, I'd go this trying to make a CNC :P.
Bane
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cooldog, i think you should read the posts on the instructable. It might give you second thoughts..... http://www.instructables.com/id/Laser-wood-burning-pen/ check out this http://www.instructables.com/id/Easy-to-Build-Desk-Top-3-Axis-CNC-Milling-Machine/
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cooldog, read a bunch of manuals on laser safety before you do this. Get all the proper safety equipment.
Then, go for it!
Another thought . . . get multiple lasers and point it at the same spot so you can cut through thicker material.
Oh and be careful what you cut, many materials release poisonous fumes when melted. Research each material you plan to cut. Do it in a ventilated area.
And you will want to computerize it. Pushing buttons won't be so easy. The $50 robot controller can do this, no problem.
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yea make sure you get safety glasses if your working on it or testing it. make sure no one comes into the room while your testing it...they can burn skin cant they? also the blinding thing tho. this project does seem a bit imagitive tho. if you want to build a robot/rc car that bad you should save up some of your money until you can afford the proper materials, because cheap things normally fall apart easilly, if i was you i would buy a decent chaisi even if it did cost me a few extra bucks.
~smash
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looks like it'd be a great project, but IDk if it'll be strong enugh to cut through styrafoam effectively
and psht. who cares about safety? ::)
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finally positive feed back
cooldog, read a bunch of manuals on laser safety before you do this. Get all the proper safety equipment.
Then, go for it!
Another thought . . . get multiple lasers and point it at the same spot so you can cut through thicker material.
Oh and be careful what you cut, many materials release poisonous fumes when melted. Research each material you plan to cut. Do it in a ventilated area.
And you will want to computerize it. Pushing buttons won't be so easy. The $50 robot controller can do this, no problem.
thanks admin don't worry i will do my research
if anything nealy fatal happens i'll be shure to post it in the "wounded in battle" thread
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I think the iportant part of your project is getting the 3 axis movements going to either move the cutting head or ove the material being cut. Once this is done you can ake the cutting head interchangeable, so you could have a laser, mill drill etc... and have a full multi function machine.
(how do you control cutting depth with a laser?)
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they both run from 2 AA so maybe i could hook a dimmer circut to control the depthj
if you get the right voltage and strengh you have a laser engraver
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I have an idea, you should use the homemade CNC milling machine with the laser.
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good idea :)
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how do you control cutting depth with a laser?
You can't, at least not with closed feedback control . . . its based on time and material, so you could speed up the cutter to reduce cutting depth, but its not that reliable and requires testing.
Laser cuts also are not straight, because a laser beam bevels out in distance . . . might cause you tolerance issues.
And lastly, a laser cut isn't as clean as a cut from a CNC . . . edges are rougher.
I've cut 1/4" and 1/8" steel on a laser cutter and my finished part had these rough ridges everywhere. A good controller can reduce those ridges.
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Ive decided to have a go at a small cnc machine myself for working pcb's on...
upto now its cost me:
Dremel tool £17.99 or bout $36
drawer slides £6.00 - $12
steppers £21 - $42
I bought a dremel type tool today, and some metal drawer slides to work as the rails (I think these should be fine). Ive already got the stepper motors, now I just need some long screw bolts but i couldnt find any.
One thing that concerns me is what software do you use to control them? would it be best to create my own. The actual stepper control will be done through a PIC and some kind of home built stepper driver. My computer can communicate with the pic, I just need to know the best way to transform a cad image into something that i can send to the pic for moving the tool head.
My plans are to make a simple frame, and make the circuits etc.. on hobby boards. Then use the finished result to make a proper board for it (so it creates itself a better pcb) and also cut itself better hardware parts so once its built its probably gonna be scratched up and kinda ghetto style, but over time its gonna upgrade its own parts ;D
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the person in that tutorial used K cam 4
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If you are really serious about cnc/laser machines, I recommend http://www.cnczone.com/forums/index.php (http://www.cnczone.com/forums/index.php) as it has a wealth of information on it's forums which you will probably find useful.
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One thing that concerns me is what software do you use to control them? would it be best to create my own.
I use $4k software so I can't really recommend that :P
There is a lot of hobby software out there if you look. You will have to do the low level commands, and have your controller accept G code (google it up).
You can also just use C to generate tool paths with equations, but its kind of painful and awkward to do by hand.
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Ive decided to have a go at a small cnc machine myself for working pcb's on...
upto now its cost me:
Dremel tool £17.99 or bout $36
drawer slides £6.00 - $12
steppers £21 - $42
I bought a dremel type tool today, and some metal drawer slides to work as the rails (I think these should be fine). Ive already got the stepper motors, now I just need some long screw bolts but i couldnt find any.
One thing that concerns me is what software do you use to control them? would it be best to create my own. The actual stepper control will be done through a PIC and some kind of home built stepper driver. My computer can communicate with the pic, I just need to know the best way to transform a cad image into something that i can send to the pic for moving the tool head.
My plans are to make a simple frame, and make the circuits etc.. on hobby boards. Then use the finished result to make a proper board for it (so it creates itself a better pcb) and also cut itself better hardware parts so once its built its probably gonna be scratched up and kinda ghetto style, but over time its gonna upgrade its own parts ;D
thats pretty cheap for a homemade cutter! :o
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thats pretty cheap for a homemade cutter!
he he...
By my estimation, i think i can actually build my own cnc machine and sort software out for less than the quotes that i have had to have 1 single part prototyped! ;D :o
Im going to have a look at the export file code for existing cad packages, but im wondering if i could use something like a wavefront algorythm to generate the paths for me....
Whatever im going to have to start with 2d cad packages and then work my way along to unwrapping objects and stuff
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cool keep us posted on whats happening!
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dude my thread >:(
just joking ;)
post if you want 8)
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naa what i meant was make a new thread and keep posting pics and info in it. and maybe make a tut ;)
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Sorry for hi-jacking it a bit,
But you will be pleased to know that it was this thread that motivated me and made me believe that i could make a cnc myself :)
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hey guys i just found the perfict thing
http://www.instructables.com/id/Build-a-CNC-Router-from-Scratch-Part-1%3a-Complete/?ALLSTEPS
also i was thinking with a few ajustments you can turn it upside down and make one of those macjhines with the claw that grabs stuffed animals
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Sorry for hi-jacking it a bit,
But you will be pleased to know that it was this thread that motivated me and made me believe that i could make a cnc myself :)
lol you owe your life to it!
hey guys i just found the perfict thing
http://www.instructables.com/id/Easy-to-Build-Desk-Top-3-Axis-CNC-Milling-Machine/
just make it larger
also i was thinking with a few ajustments you can turn it upside down and make one of those macjhines with the claw that grabs stuffed animals
lol put a few robots in there and set them to wander and avoid the claw...then try to catch them ;D
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hey guys i just found the perfict thing
http://www.instructables.com/id/Easy-to-Build-Desk-Top-3-Axis-CNC-Milling-Machine/
just make it larger
also i was thinking with a few ajustments you can turn it upside down and make one of those macjhines with the claw that grabs stuffed animals
nice link. did you find it at the top of this thread?
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sorry wrong link
http://www.instructables.com/id/Build-a-CNC-Router-from-Scratch-Part-1%3a-Complete/?ALLSTEPS
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if you have $400 to burn you can get a 160w co2 laser from ebay. i think those can cut through aluminum