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Title: replacement for axon2
Post by: kunaldgr8 on January 27, 2012, 06:05:21 AM
can i use audrino uno (http://www.simplelabs.co.in/content/arduino-uno (http://www.simplelabs.co.in/content/arduino-uno)) as a replacement for axon 2 and will axon drag and drop tools will work on this audrino??
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: Admin on January 27, 2012, 07:20:29 AM
The drag/drop software is called WebbotLib, and it also works for the Arduino.
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: kunaldgr8 on January 27, 2012, 07:53:53 AM
but on web litto there is only option of aurdinomega?
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: Admin on January 27, 2012, 08:06:52 AM
web litto?
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: kunaldgr8 on January 27, 2012, 08:30:14 AM
srry  WebbotLib
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: kunaldgr8 on January 27, 2012, 08:42:50 AM
there is no option for arduino uno
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: Admin on January 27, 2012, 10:08:00 AM
hmmm I swore there was . . . anyway, the VRbot website has source code for the Arduino so just use that.
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: kunaldgr8 on January 27, 2012, 11:22:07 AM
no actually the  vrbot site has aurdino kit demo..which is popbot....there are only arduino mega option but at the end there are more 2 options url of board and url of site
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: Webbot on January 27, 2012, 12:19:31 PM
If WebbotLib doesn't list the board then you will to create a definition for it in Board Designer. Which you can do for any AVR 8 bit processor. Once you've done the Board Design then you can use it in Project Designer.
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: billhowl on January 27, 2012, 06:41:39 PM
there is no option for arduino uno

Here is the Arduino Uno board definition for WebbotLib.

Arduino_Uno_R3.zip (http://www.mediafire.com/?1fkxj1i3t6fe85q)
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: Webbot on January 27, 2012, 07:48:02 PM
Hey - good work. Let me know if you're happy for me to include it in the distribution....
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: billhowl on January 27, 2012, 07:59:55 PM
you are free to use anywhere fit.
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: kunaldgr8 on January 28, 2012, 12:19:47 AM
hey...can i use this 1 as a replacement for axon2     http://www.robosoftsystems.co.in/roboshop/index.php/development-boards/servo-controller-board.html (http://www.robosoftsystems.co.in/roboshop/index.php/development-boards/servo-controller-board.html)     and will this be compatible with vrbot module  :)
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: Admin on January 28, 2012, 12:42:55 AM
hey...can i use this 1 as a replacement for axon2     http://www.robosoftsystems.co.in/roboshop/index.php/development-boards/servo-controller-board.html (http://www.robosoftsystems.co.in/roboshop/index.php/development-boards/servo-controller-board.html)     and will this be compatible with vrbot module  :)
Yes, that will work. You will need to also buy a hardware ISP programmer to change the program on it, if you don't already own one. You will also need to buy a RS-232 to USB adapter, if your computer doesn't support RS-232.
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: kunaldgr8 on January 28, 2012, 01:08:12 AM
why i need to change program  :)
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: Admin on January 28, 2012, 01:42:09 AM
why i need to change program  :)
After you write your program on your computer, you will need to put that program onto your microcontroller. If the microcontroller does not have a bootloader (such as the Arduino and the Axon), then you must buy a hardware programmer to do it. :P
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: kunaldgr8 on January 28, 2012, 01:44:50 AM
k i got it ....theen i need to buy hardware isp for sure thanks
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: kunaldgr8 on January 28, 2012, 01:46:51 AM
in this 1 i guess i dont need to put a extra power for servos..rite
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: kunaldgr8 on January 28, 2012, 06:51:27 AM
i am finally buying so plz help me at last ....which one is better one aurdino uno or  rhino RKI-1550 plz see details at http://robokits.co.in/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6&products_id=312 (http://robokits.co.in/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6&products_id=312) thanks  :) and can i use the vrbot module and will it work with bebbotlib
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: kunaldgr8 on January 28, 2012, 07:07:07 AM
and this one as arduino - http://robokits.co.in/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6_72&products_id=319 (http://robokits.co.in/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6_72&products_id=319)
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: kunaldgr8 on January 28, 2012, 07:13:37 AM
this one with lcd http://robokits.co.in/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6_62&products_id=329 (http://robokits.co.in/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6_62&products_id=329)


plz suggest me which 1 out of 3 to buy
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: kunaldgr8 on January 28, 2012, 10:58:10 PM
which one is better out of 3 and i need the one which can work with vrbot moduel and webbotlib -------
http://robokits.co.in/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6&products_id=312 (http://robokits.co.in/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6&products_id=312)
arduino -http://robokits.co.in/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6_72&products_id=319
this 1 with lcd - http://robokits.co.in/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6_62&products_id=329 (http://robokits.co.in/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6_62&products_id=329)
or i should go for arduino uno..
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: billhowl on January 29, 2012, 12:14:44 AM
Rhino Robot Control Board ATMega16
Can be programmed via USB through bootloader
Flash Memory 16KB
Rs.1,950 Only

Roboduino ATMega168 (Based on Arduino Diecimila)
Flash Memory 16KB
Rs.850 Only

ATMega128 Rapid Robot Controller Board
Flash Memory 128KB
Rs.1,750 Only

Both ATMega168 and ATMega128 supported by webbotlib.

Roboduino ATMega168 can be program with Arduino IDE but you need expansion board to connect the Servo.

ATMega128 Rapid Robot Controller Board had build in Servo connectors.

If you need the extra program space and build in functions then you can go for ATMega128 Rapid Robot Controller Board.
If you need cheapest option then go for Roboduino ATMega168.
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: Admin on January 29, 2012, 12:36:15 AM
kunaldgr8, it's ok to spend 2x more to get 2x more features :P
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: kunaldgr8 on January 29, 2012, 04:12:45 AM
so i should go for ATMega128 Rapid Robot Controller Board. or arduino uno ..and very very thanks for your valuable answers. :D
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: kunaldgr8 on January 29, 2012, 07:03:02 AM
can i get r ATMega128 Rapid Robot Controller Board   :o definition for WebbotLib.
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: Admin on January 29, 2012, 07:48:26 AM
can i get r ATMega128 Rapid Robot Controller Board   :o definition for WebbotLib.
As it is not a popular board, you'd have to make your own. It's not that hard, actually. Just open up Board Designer and play around with it.
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: kunaldgr8 on January 30, 2012, 09:01:58 AM
in this board do i need a additional battery for servos??? (the atmega128 rapid control board)
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: Admin on January 30, 2012, 09:41:45 AM
No idea. Their only datasheet is a dead link: http://www.robokits.co.in/documentation/ATMega128_Robot_Board.pdf (http://www.robokits.co.in/documentation/ATMega128_Robot_Board.pdf)

You should email them.
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: kunaldgr8 on January 30, 2012, 11:51:59 AM
here is an documentation http://robokits.co.in/documentation/ATMega128_Board.pdf (http://robokits.co.in/documentation/ATMega128_Board.pdf)
here is datasheet http://www.robokits.co.in/datasheets/ATmega128.pdf (http://www.robokits.co.in/datasheets/ATmega128.pdf)
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: billhowl on January 30, 2012, 04:17:22 PM
here is an documentation http://robokits.co.in/documentation/ATMega128_Board.pdf (http://robokits.co.in/documentation/ATMega128_Board.pdf)
here is datasheet http://www.robokits.co.in/datasheets/ATmega128.pdf (http://www.robokits.co.in/datasheets/ATmega128.pdf)

Not the same documentation, this is for RKI-1148, the atmega128 rapid control board we talk was RKI-1700.
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: Admin on January 30, 2012, 11:21:32 PM
The datasheet doesn't have a wiring pinout or schematic, so I'm not sure.

The section Providing Power Supply gives the appearance that you only need one power source.

There are no power buses on this, so you'd need a breadboard to do all your wiring. Even to attach a servo . . .
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: kunaldgr8 on January 31, 2012, 03:54:38 AM
but there are three pins given in the board (as you said it is for servo) but now as you are now telling me that i have to do all the wiring .....then isn't it better to buy arduino uno or  Arduino Diecimila as they are popular and reliable
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: billhowl on January 31, 2012, 04:33:18 AM
The RKI-1700 atmega128 rapid control board have servo ports but the RKI-1148 do not have servo ports.\So please get the RKI-1700 atmega128 rapid control board if you need servo ports.
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: kunaldgr8 on January 31, 2012, 05:18:19 AM
sir then do i need a addition power in rki-1700
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: billhowl on January 31, 2012, 05:29:39 AM
sir then do i need a addition power in rki-1700
(http://robokits.co.in/shop/bmz_cache/5/54af81107c6d0e1f652ed137b2250cef.image.733x550.jpg)
ATMega128 Rapid Robot Controller Board (http://robokits.co.in/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6_62&products_id=329)
The Power Supply gives in the photo that appearance you only need one power source 6V - 25V.
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: kunaldgr8 on January 31, 2012, 05:51:57 AM
so no extra power for servos...is it better than arduino uno...should i finally buy this (srry for repeating myslef ) :-[
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: billhowl on January 31, 2012, 06:26:06 AM
Is better than arduino uno, but it doesn't have a wiring pinout or schematic, so I'm not sure how it power for servos. you can go for this if you willing to try.
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: joe61 on January 31, 2012, 07:11:33 AM
One of the important aspects of choosing a controller board is support. If you have to ask here for support on their board, you might not be getting what you want.

If they won't support their product, go with Axxon2. It's not fair to ask admin to support someone else's product.

Just my $.02

Joe
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: kunaldgr8 on January 31, 2012, 09:40:41 AM
Is better than arduino uno, but it doesn't have a wiring pinout or schematic, so I'm not sure how it power for servos. you can go for this if you willing to try.
one thing more i saw that it is mention ""The Quick-C platform for programming this board with multiple libraries will be offered soon with this board."" i think it will make things more worst for me so i am going with arduino  Diecimila :D rite decision?
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: Admin on January 31, 2012, 09:47:28 AM
then isn't it better to buy arduino uno or  Arduino Diecimila as they are popular and reliable
The Arduino boards do not have a power bus as well - you either have to do wiring with a breadboard or buy a shield. The Arduino also requires two power sources, not one, if you want to use servos. And that's why I don't like Arduino :P
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: kunaldgr8 on January 31, 2012, 09:50:13 AM
then isn't it better to buy arduino uno or  Arduino Diecimila as they are popular and reliable
The Arduino boards do not have a power bus as well - you either have to do wiring with a breadboard or buy a shield. The Arduino also requires two power sources, not one, if you want to use servos. And that's why I don't like Arduino :P
i agree with you and i asked a person who has bought rapid control board and he says that the three pins given are there for servos
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: Admin on January 31, 2012, 09:55:39 AM
i agree with you and i asked a person who has bought rapid control board and he says that the three pins given are there for servos
Ask him for documentation, as I'm just guessing by looking at the picture :P
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: kunaldgr8 on January 31, 2012, 09:59:45 AM
what are your sure gusses
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: kunaldgr8 on January 31, 2012, 10:10:36 AM
guys and admins will this shield work for sensor ans servos http://www.simplelabs.co.in/content/arduino-dual-stepper-motor-driver-shield (http://www.simplelabs.co.in/content/arduino-dual-stepper-motor-driver-shield) my last question!!!!! :P
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: kunaldgr8 on January 31, 2012, 10:22:05 AM
Is better than arduino uno, but it doesn't have a wiring pinout or schematic, so I'm not sure how it power for servos. you can go for this if you willing to try.
i asked a person he says tose three pins are for servos and i noticed that is will not support c platform and hence libarys does it makes a difference 
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: Admin on January 31, 2012, 10:23:40 AM
guys and admins will this shield work for sensor ans servos http://www.simplelabs.co.in/content/arduino-dual-stepper-motor-driver-shield (http://www.simplelabs.co.in/content/arduino-dual-stepper-motor-driver-shield)
No, it's a stepper motor driver. It has nothing to do with sensors or servos :P

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my last question!!!!! :P
I don't believe you ;)
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: kunaldgr8 on January 31, 2012, 10:27:27 AM
guys and admins will this shield work for sensor ans servos http://www.simplelabs.co.in/content/arduino-dual-stepper-motor-driver-shield (http://www.simplelabs.co.in/content/arduino-dual-stepper-motor-driver-shield)
No, it's a stepper motor driver. It has nothing to do with sensors or servos :P

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my last question!!!!! :P
I don't believe you ;)
you are rite ... dont belive me  :P i have gone crazy i dont know what to do which one to buy
just tel me that if it dont have c platform will it make any difference!!!!!!!!!!!! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: Admin on January 31, 2012, 10:38:33 AM
What is a "c platform"? ???

Do you meant the C programming language? All ATmegas support C.

The first robot is always the hardest. You'll pull your hair and bang your head for a few weeks. And then it'll all start to make sense.
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: kunaldgr8 on January 31, 2012, 11:16:54 AM
What is a "c platform"? ???

Do you meant the C programming language? All ATmegas support C.

The first robot is always the hardest. You'll pull your hair and bang your head for a few weeks. And then it'll all start to make sense.
this is giving on the site--- The Quick-C platform for programming this board with multiple libraries will be offered soon with this board.
Title: Re: replacement for axon2
Post by: billhowl on February 01, 2012, 04:16:35 AM
this is giving on the site--- The Quick-C platform for programming this board with multiple libraries will be offered soon with this board.
When you using this WebbotLib (http://webbot.org.uk/iPoint/ipoint) to program your board then you need not to care about the Quick-C platform.