Soeren got what i meant,it's exactly my point,sorry for i did not explain
waltr ,This is what i talking about,it's about to get these parameters doing some measurements,not about modeling,i know how to model,the problem is "After the modeling,how can i got these parameters in numerical form,you know?
I must know what i have to do to take these parameters,without using Identification tecniques.
Sorry for my english
And thanks for the help the link that you sent me might help to find some of these parameters =)