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The 34 dollar programmer doesn't fit.
« on: June 22, 2007, 07:44:58 AM »
I am kinda upset about this i bought the more expensive programmer and it doesnt fit.    the holes on it look like this       ::: I have to plug it into this  ::::: Can some one please help me I think it would fit if the 6 whole peice didnt have plastic on both sides. Please help.

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Re: The 34 dollar programmer doesn't fit.
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2007, 08:58:25 AM »
well 4 of those ::::: are ground

all you need is: mosi, miso, sdk, reset, grd, power, and those are the 6 on the programer. now take the header on the $50 robot and resolder it to match.
or there might be another cable you can use.
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Re: The 34 dollar programmer doesn't fit.
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2007, 09:18:09 AM »
sorry about that . . . its something Ive been meaning to update with the tutorial.

check this post for help:
http://www.societyofrobots.com/robotforum/index.php?topic=1045.0

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Re: The 34 dollar programmer doesn't fit.
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2007, 11:29:17 AM »
Yeah, if you've actually done all the wire soldering (all the yellow wires in this image in the tutorial), then you'll need to desolder those wires.  You should probably also desolder the 2 5-pin headers that those yellow wires were hooked up into, snip them down to 3 pins each, and then put them back in in a 3x2 pattern, and then figure out which pins on the new programmer header go to which pins on the IC (see this image from the other thread). and solder them all back in appropriately.

If you need to do this, don't be bummed!  I had to do it a few days ago, and it was a great noob learning experience (how to desolder, thinking about which wires go where without just following the directions, etc.)

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Re: The 34 dollar programmer doesn't fit.
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2007, 12:50:42 PM »
... you'll need to desolder those wires.  You should probably also desolder the 2 5-pin headers that those yellow wires were hooked up into, snip them down to 3 pins each, and then put them back in in a 3x2 pattern...

You just need to use a utility knife to cut off 2x2 pins and desolder only those. And then do how ribs instructed.
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Re: The 34 dollar programmer doesn't fit.
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2007, 01:59:49 PM »
Actually you dont need to desolder anything.

You can just start with another empty space on the board to do the 3x2 header and run new wires to it.

Probably wont be useful, but this would then give your board compatibility for both the 5x2 and 3x2 programmer headers.

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Re: The 34 dollar programmer doesn't fit.
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2007, 07:33:43 AM »
Ok ok so are you gona fix it on the tutorial ?  and I am checking the link you gave me now to see if that will help me...Sorry I have nt been able to respond internet was down........ Thanks
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Re: The 34 dollar programmer doesn't fit.
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2007, 07:49:21 AM »
Ok so now I am completely lost somebody said I should open it up @ my own risk somebody said I should  have a nother cable to hook on and somebody said I can fix it using the disk or the website will tell me and somebody said I could desolder or resolder so I am completely lost and would like to avoid resoldering anything right now!!!

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Re: The 34 dollar programmer doesn't fit.
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2007, 10:34:42 AM »
Here's my setup when I'm breadboarding:



notice the ribbon cable near the AVR ISP? I cut an extra ribbon cable, split it, then soldered male pins on one end.

You could do almost the same thing. You solder female sockets on one end and MATCH the wires to the pins in the 2x5 socket.

So even if you have the 2x5 connector you can use the ribbon cable that came with the AVR ISP. If you have an extra ribbon cable and the correct headers you can create one of these to fit and so that you'll still have your old 2x3 cable intact.

Admin's recommendation is also OK.
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Re: The 34 dollar programmer doesn't fit.
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2007, 02:24:24 PM »
I dont want to take anything  apart in fear of breaking do you think admin will fix the tutorial and meybe add some pics so I can learn how to wire another 3x2 thing on............ I didnt know I would have to do all of this when I started........ Please help. thanks.

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Re: The 34 dollar programmer doesn't fit.
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2007, 05:02:29 PM »
lol you picked the perfect user name :P

So if you look at the schematic in 3B, you will see I labeled every single pin with a name. Now looking at the post with the corrected wiring, you will see it also has names on all the pins. Just match the pin names and put wires between them. The only difference is the order, nothing else.

Besides, if you ever want to build a robot on your own, you will need to understand this stuff anyway. Im confident if you think about it for a bit that you can do it. Its literally connect the dots with wires :P

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Re: The 34 dollar programmer doesn't fit.
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2007, 07:27:17 PM »
ok i will try to`find the`schematic in 3b icould never find it b4. thanks.

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Re: The 34 dollar programmer doesn't fit.
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2007, 08:08:23 PM »
ok so i am doing the desolder thing... I have to try and understand everything.... I will think about and try not to be so helpless! ;D

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Re: The 34 dollar programmer doesn't fit.
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2007, 04:51:13 PM »
ok so... I tried and was a little confused by aa little bit but i think i know which things im snapping off after desoldering... its the  4 pins closest to the center of the board in the 5 pin headers right??? if anyone has a picture that would be great!!!

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Re: The 34 dollar programmer doesn't fit.
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2007, 08:08:19 PM »
could someone anser me pleezzzzz ;D thanks.

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Re: The 34 dollar programmer doesn't fit.
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2007, 09:26:02 PM »
check out this post it has everything you need. I think. Don't worry I'm a noob just like you.
http://www.societyofrobots.com/robotforum/index.php?topic=1045.0

and here is something else this is all you need to connect. check out the schematic in 3B for all the numbers
http://www.societyofrobots.com/images/sbs_avr_schematic.png
programmer      microcontroller
Cable Pin      to    IC Pin
1                 to       18
2                to         7
3                to        19
4                to        17
5               to          1
6                to         8

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Re: The 34 dollar programmer doesn't fit.
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2007, 08:53:10 PM »
Thanks I havnt yet read the links but Im going to right after i than you for helping me out !!!!

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Re: The 34 dollar programmer doesn't fit.
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2007, 09:24:56 PM »
you're welcome ;D

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Re: The 34 dollar programmer doesn't fit.
« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2007, 08:14:04 PM »
ok im back from vacation so i should be ready to try and fix this thing up!!!! thanks for all of your help so far!!!

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Re: The 34 dollar programmer doesn't fit.
« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2007, 09:08:53 PM »
ok.... so ......... Admin says i can make it 10 pin and i understand that but i didnt get an instruction manual so who should i ask for one digikey or someone else???

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Re: The 34 dollar programmer doesn't fit.
« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2007, 09:37:05 AM »
ok does anyon else know where i could find the book that shows me how to make it ten????

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Re: The 34 dollar programmer doesn't fit.
« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2007, 10:16:04 AM »
Ok i opened it up and now i dont know how to make it ten like i said i dont have a manual!

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