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Flying robot
« on: January 24, 2008, 08:14:42 PM »
Hey everyone. I have this strong feeling of desire to make a flying robot (autonomous). If I do there are a lot of challenges I have to face:

1. I don't know any programming.
2. I don't know much about electronics
3. 50$ robot is the only robot I've built.
4. I don't know what board to use.
5. I don't know how to make the platform
6. I don't have power tools
and many more

Am I challenging myself too much here?

I liked this member tutorial but I think it's not finished: http://www.societyofrobots.com/member_tutorials/node/46

Do  you guys think with your help I could be able to do this?
This is what I want this robot to do:

1. If it flies up to my waist I'll be more than happy.
2. Follow objects

I don't even know where to start so I'll be needing a lot of help. If you guys think I have nowhere close the experience needed for this, PLEASE feel free to tell me so I don't make a mistake.

Thanks.



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Re: Flying robot
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2008, 08:20:08 PM »
hmm with the help of S.O.R maaaybe but you would need quite a bit of money and a lot of help. the best way that i think you can do this is to use tilt sensors and have four blades like in that tutorial. but as i said with what you described you had you are VERY limited to what you can do in terms of making robots. what is your price range?

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Re: Flying robot
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2008, 08:27:16 PM »
well depends how time you are willing to spend on it  and how much money ( it will get costly)


for your inspiration
My robot , chives, was the first real robot( not R/C ) that I ever built . I spent over 100 hours at least researching . I seriously knew nothing about robotics before Chives.


Also, set up small goals for yourself :
Example : get money, make it fly , make a self balancing see saw ( using helicopter blades and motors and gyros) , then add that to the robot

Your biggest problem would be learning how each part works and how to interface it . Plan it out and CAD it first. I can personally help you with this , email me for help , since I also want a autnomous flying bot but do not have the time to play around with it.   ;)

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Re: Flying robot
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2008, 08:32:53 PM »
"off topic" lol but airman in your side thing where it says email you have mail to airman000[at]gmail.com?? whats up with that? "on topic" and also yes airman is right you do have to spend a lot of hours researching on how each part works. i would suggest that you learn a bit about how flying robots work and research how this robot would work and what you would need. most anonamous robots that fly get into the $100 upward range.


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Re: Flying robot
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2008, 08:42:15 PM »
"off topic" lol but airman in your side thing where it says email you have mail to airman000[at]gmail.com?? whats up with that? "on topic" and also yes airman is right you do have to spend a lot of hours researching on how each part works. i would suggest that you learn a bit about how flying robots work and research how this robot would work and what you would need. most anonamous robots that fly get into the $100 upward range.


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Re: Flying robot
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2008, 08:43:59 PM »
no i mean one is airman000 and the other is airman00 which is correct?
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Re: Flying robot
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2008, 08:45:12 PM »
both are airman00
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Re: Flying robot
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2008, 08:46:30 PM »
no i mean one is airman000 and the other is airman00 which is correct?

lol both are correct

airman00 , airman000 and airman0000 are all owned by me  :D

i have each airman whatever forward to airman00 at gmail.com, so that way airman00 gets barely any spam , since its filtered twice , once when airman000 recieves it and once when airman00 recieves it  , lol , just a trick I made up
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Re: Flying robot
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2008, 08:47:46 PM »
XD lol gives me ideas...  smart tho
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Re: Flying robot
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2008, 08:59:52 PM »
XD lol gives me ideas...  smart tho
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thx, but back on topic

i saw this toy robot helicopter that avoids obstacles  http://www.robotsrule.com/html/flytech-bladestar.php , perhaps a hack is in order

and also check this http://www.seattlerobotics.org/encoder/200311/weimer/bxflyer.html
Garriwilson , you can email me about this project also, i want to help out but on condition that you make a tutorial of this heli as you go along
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Re: Flying robot
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2008, 09:03:19 PM »
wowee lol also thats if he decides to do it. we have just put a lot of pressure on him.


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Re: Flying robot
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2008, 09:41:10 PM »
I could make a blog for it like yours airman  ;D . Right now I have school, so not too much time for this. During the summer I will really work on it.

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My robot , chives, was the first real robot( not R/C ) that I ever built . I spent over 100 hours at least researching . I seriously knew nothing about robotics before Chives.
How did you learn programming and circuit board designing?

Airman, smash thanks for your support. I appreciate it  ;D .

Thanks, I'll try to research.


Off-topic: Anyone have a cure for quitting video games? I mean inside myself I don't want to and I know it's a waste of my time, but it's like a part of my system now. I hate myself because of that.


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Re: Flying robot
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2008, 09:44:57 PM »
How did you learn programming and circuit board designing?



Off-topic: Anyone have a cure for quitting video games? I mean inside myself I don't want to and I know it's a waste of my time, but it's like a part of my system now. I hate myself because of that.



I taught myself everything , internet is my main source .

As for a cure , just work on a cool robot that you want to make that looks cool . and try to play an hour ( or 1/2 hour less) each day

I personally dont love  video games
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Re: Flying robot
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2008, 10:30:15 PM »
ive got a good cure. sell ur video game console and all your games like i did. i couldnt afford any good games so i sold most of them. and i learned some basic c programming from internet.


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Re: Flying robot
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2008, 10:31:37 PM »
ive got a good cure. sell ur video game console and all your games like i did. i couldnt afford any good games so i sold most of them. and i learned some basic c programming from internet.


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Re: Flying robot
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2008, 10:34:55 PM »



Off-topic: Anyone have a cure for quitting video games? I mean inside myself I don't want to and I know it's a waste of my time, but it's like a part of my system now. I hate myself because of that.


QFT

I'm still on day 4 of C programming.  :-[

but i just beat COD4  ;D  for the second time  :-\
« Last Edit: January 24, 2008, 10:35:59 PM by ed1380 »
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Re: Flying robot
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2008, 10:35:47 PM »
lol have u learnt much yet?
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Re: Flying robot
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2008, 11:05:12 PM »
I don't have a console, I play on PC. My CD games are messed up and I don't play them. I play the free multiplayer kind of games.

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agree , except u could learn almost everything from internet
except experience  :D

My dad is a computer programmer and he knows C pretty well. Is his computer knowledge applicable to robots? Or is it just for computers? He knows Basic too kinda.

Also, I don't get how it could go over $200. PCB-$120 max, motors-$30, chassis material-20$ ???, speed controller (3) $75 max, sensors-50$??? Oh whoopsie. Hehe. Total is (embarrassingly): 245$-300$. Good estimate airman.  :-[  :-[ 

OK, that's it. Thanks.

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Re: Flying robot
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2008, 11:07:58 PM »
lol but theres a LOT of other things you would need like sensors, leds, capasatators, transistors, blah blah blah. but most can be scrapped from some electronics. just for me can i use a soldering iron to desolder?


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Re: Flying robot
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2008, 11:12:29 PM »
I don't have a console, I play on PC. My CD games are messed up and I don't play them. I play the free multiplayer kind of games.

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agree , except u could learn almost everything from internet
except experience  :D

My dad is a computer programmer and he knows C pretty well. Is his computer knowledge applicable to robots? Or is it just for computers? He knows Basic too kinda.

Also, I don't get how it could go over $200. PCB-$120 max, motors-$30, chassis material-20$ ???, speed controller (3) $75 max, sensors-50$??? Oh whoopsie. Hehe. Total is (embarrassingly): 245$-300$. Good estimate airman.  :-[  :-[ 

OK, that's it. Thanks.

ok C is just a language like Spanish or English. Just  there are different "dialects" for computers and for microcontrollers. They have different registers ,etc If he knows C, he can learn it for microcontrollers in a day.

As for costs , why not get that toy I recommended to hack. Hack that , understand whats happening , then move on to build a new one.
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Re: Flying robot
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2008, 11:15:12 PM »
@Smash:
You can use your soldering iron to desolder properly ONLY if you have a desoldering braid. Here is an example:
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062744&cp=&sr=1&origkw=desoldering+braid&kw=desoldering+braid&parentPage=search

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As for costs , why not get that toy I recommended to hack. Hack that , understand whats happening , then move on to build a new one.

Could I scrap many parts from it? Would it be worth to buy it?


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Re: Flying robot
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2008, 11:23:45 PM »
from a toy probibly not...maybe only motors.
and oooh i gotta get me a desoldering braid...


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Re: Flying robot
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2008, 07:23:33 AM »

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As for costs , why not get that toy I recommended to hack. Hack that , understand whats happening , then move on to build a new one.
Could I scrap many parts from it? Would it be worth to buy it?


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The toy is already a flying robot that avoids obstacles!  By seeing how that works you can get ideas
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Re: Flying robot
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2008, 09:16:34 AM »
OK garri is going to be building either a tricopter or a qudracopter i guess ? what are the advantages of each

and how would directional flight be accomplished with either version?
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Re: Flying robot
« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2008, 11:36:30 AM »
i would recommend starting with a balancing "segway" type robot.
this way you can practice with the sensors and algorithms needed for flight but only in one dimension.
once you have a 2 wheeled bot balancing you can take the next step of applying the same theory to an aircraft.

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Re: Flying robot
« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2008, 09:53:43 PM »
OK, I KNOW that this is too hard for me to even try to do for now. I am definitely saving it for when I have more exp. Sorry, and I just don't have that kind of money yet.

I don't know I might do something simpler like a sumo robot. (with a drill as weapon) muwhahahaha  :P

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Re: Flying robot
« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2008, 11:55:20 PM »
that would be kinda cool. if i ever make a battle bot im gonna put a small pick axe on a servo as the weapon! lol anyway airman00 please tell me if you are going ahead with yours ;D


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Re: Flying robot
« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2008, 10:32:20 AM »
I would build a flying robot once I find all the sensors for cheap. And also I do not really have time, so it would have to wait till summer
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Re: Flying robot
« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2008, 03:32:26 PM »
ya you owe it to your name to build one ;D
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Re: Flying robot
« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2008, 04:54:29 PM »
Smash go here:

http://www.societyofrobots.com/robotforum/index.php?topic=3038.0

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