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Re: a SoR project for all
« Reply #90 on: May 08, 2008, 04:04:17 PM »
i think it should be 5 as minimum
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Re: a SoR project for all
« Reply #91 on: May 08, 2008, 04:09:32 PM »
i think it should be 5 as minimum

thats it???


how long are we expecting each article to be ( # of pages , this includes pics and diagrams , etc.)
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Re: a SoR project for all
« Reply #92 on: May 08, 2008, 05:02:22 PM »
well actually the more is always the better

about pages,,i dunno,, maybe 10 each article? 7?
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Re: a SoR project for all
« Reply #93 on: May 08, 2008, 05:14:51 PM »
Since there is a lot of confusion over this subject, I will probably be hosting my own algorythmn and basic circuit resource area. When I first suggested the algorythm cookbook, thats what I was thinking. As newbies to robotics people would actually find it difficult to take in the entire concept of building the robot, understanding the electronics and then understanding the programming, I think that the $50 robot on this site is about as basic to understand as you can get but how many people have you seen on the board have problems with it?

I want to build a reference archive where if i wanted to see how a kalman filter was used i could look it up in an index and see a working code example with psuedocode/block diagrams. This is how I learnt to program (from 9 years old). and am still learning like this by looking at code pieces not just copying an entire project.

Once Ive got the structure ready, I'll post a link for people to edit. The reference will be free and hopefully printer friendly.


(ps.. no offence, but the book has turned into a new version of the user tutorials on this site. If you want to publish whole projects and you have them ready why not just enter them as user tutorials?)

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Re: a SoR project for all
« Reply #94 on: May 08, 2008, 05:28:46 PM »
we will enter them as member tutorials !!!
Then I can compile it into an all in one .pdf file

and then publish it in paperback



you want something sorta like this
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Re: a SoR project for all
« Reply #95 on: May 09, 2008, 02:01:34 AM »
When I was talking about noobs I was not thinking complete noobs...
I was thinking noobs to our field...

I think paulstreats is right... And that's what I was talking about... both schematics and build up information and then algorithms and such...

And airman... the same platform idea is nice... but... not possible... at least more me...
You see I live in Greece and I don't have either access to a mill so things are pretty rough...
I was talking about the same electronics platform... same controller same circuit...
How anyone materialize this is another fact...

I'll give here a short example. That's a board, I have designed, yet to materialize it, but I think it's in working condition...

Please have a look at the zip....
And tell me your thoughts...


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Re: a SoR project for all
« Reply #96 on: May 09, 2008, 03:16:36 AM »
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I want to build a reference archive where if i wanted to see how a kalman filter was used i could look it up in an index and see a working code example with psuedocode/block diagrams.
this is what im talking about
you go to the index and you see

1/A*
2/kalman filter
3/line following
4/gripper control  (a PID here would be perfect)
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etc


i dont urge you guys to start from 0 with beginners in this book as SoR does that, my thought was to extend our tutors to the next level
not redo whats already in this website

and No, its not about taking a ready made projects, example
i would put my optical mouse interface project in the members page for the 200$ contest but that wont be included in the algorithm book
i will write about A* in the members pages just to include it in the book, i wont show a robot that does A*, just explaining the algorithm deeply and explaiining some technichs and some pseudo code.

i hope this is clear enough

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That's a board, I have designed, yet to materialize it, but I think it's in working condition...
nice one trickynekro , is this by EAGLE?
anyways did you try if its workin properly?

 ,i guess robots doesnt need a board with Lcd,,right?
can this be programed on board?
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Re: a SoR project for all
« Reply #97 on: May 09, 2008, 04:34:58 AM »
good work we are on then let the book strat from zero to hero what kinda algorithms can i donate ??
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Re: a SoR project for all
« Reply #98 on: May 09, 2008, 04:47:27 AM »
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what kinda algorithms can i donate ??
you are the only one who can answer this  ;D
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Re: a SoR project for all
« Reply #99 on: May 09, 2008, 05:48:23 AM »
TrikyNekro:

I was talking about an abstract CAD robot which would be a standard design to show layout of sensors , etc. on the robot
It would not have to be built. Just add sensors through Google Sketchup

As for standard electronic circuit
How about we just make it like a module . Have line outputs or inputs with labels saying something like " this connects to an analog port" or "this connects to +5"

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Re: a SoR project for all
« Reply #100 on: May 09, 2008, 06:17:22 AM »
TrikyNekro:

I was talking about an abstract CAD robot which would be a standard design to show layout of sensors , etc. on the robot
It would not have to be built. Just add sensors through Google Sketchup

As for standard electronic circuit
How about we just make it like a module . Have line outputs or inputs with labels saying something like " this connects to an analog port" or "this connects to +5"



Look... I can do something like this...

Just give me some hours...
Look the problem is that I try to avoid two layer boards as hell... since all the boards I have are made by me (well there are exceptions...)...
And I don't know if anyone here in my country offers two layer...
But it's not the two layers the problem really... it's the holes that much connect the two layers and that's not so easy to get here...

Well...

I think I'll have it by today...

benji:
I'm eagle yes! Quite a powerful program but misses some important libraries...

BTW, does anyone have a library for eagle for the ADIS16100ACC by analog devices???



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Re: a SoR project for all
« Reply #101 on: May 09, 2008, 02:48:41 PM »
also include a regular schematic , not only the PCB layout

ill work up a guideline this weekend
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Re: a SoR project for all
« Reply #102 on: May 09, 2008, 02:58:13 PM »
also include a regular schematic , not only the PCB layout

ill work up a guideline this weekend

Well, in the previous zip I had both... sure things...
And this is as it has been requested...

Look at the zip:  (at least I can do no better, sorry... :D)
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Re: a SoR project for all
« Reply #103 on: May 09, 2008, 03:24:16 PM »
so whats with the book post airman? i suggest you make one like the 200$ post so everyone who wants to write up post there the name of their article , this way everyone
would be able to know what the book would looklike and what subjects included,how many subjects also.
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Re: a SoR project for all
« Reply #104 on: May 09, 2008, 03:37:56 PM »
lol ill do it right now
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Re: a SoR project for all
« Reply #105 on: May 09, 2008, 03:47:02 PM »
Airman... I'm writing the tutorials for at least being free online...
Paperbook or not my tutorials will at SoR here at the member pages for free.... period...

(Or at least this is what I understood by reading at member pages...)
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Re: a SoR project for all
« Reply #106 on: May 09, 2008, 03:52:22 PM »
all the tutorials will be online for free , i said that already
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Re: a SoR project for all
« Reply #107 on: May 11, 2008, 07:39:20 PM »
I haven't had time to read through this post, so I'll get back to it when I have time.

But for now, I just wanted to say that you can enter your article into the robot contest for a chance to win additional money from it.

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Re: a SoR project for all
« Reply #108 on: May 12, 2008, 12:10:03 AM »
would love to
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Re: a SoR project for all
« Reply #109 on: May 12, 2008, 03:35:00 AM »
so ,,can i enter with 2 things in the robot contest?
i was planning to write about the optical mouse hacking for the contest
and the A* algorithm for the book

can i enter both in the contest? as two seperate things or in one page?
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Re: a SoR project for all
« Reply #110 on: May 12, 2008, 02:47:29 PM »
If people are submitting code in a variety of languages BASIC, C,  etc etc and for a number of different controllers then aren't you producing something that is only 10% relevant to Joe Bloggs? (Sorry not intentially being negative). Surely you should aim it at either one language/controller or give ALL of your examples in ALL of the languages/controllers that the book says it supports. So rather than having one person looking at algorithm 'A' in 'C' then you may actually also need other people to translate it into the other platforms/languages that the book is aimed at. Otherwise it will just end up as a random collection of ideas and will not have a target market.

Who is your target?

What languages/platforms/controllers will ALL of your examples support?

I'm trying to program my controller but am I using a Mac, Windows Xp/Vista/ Linux The options are endless. I believe (and sorry if you've already stated this somewhere else), that as well as focusing on 'What the robot will do' you MUST identify who IS, and ISN'T, supported by the book.
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Re: a SoR project for all
« Reply #111 on: May 12, 2008, 03:01:08 PM »
i do prefer to include pseudo code as a must , this way anyone can see it and translate it into the language he/she wants to implement with.
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Re: a SoR project for all
« Reply #112 on: May 12, 2008, 03:10:01 PM »
If people are submitting code in a variety of languages BASIC, C,  etc etc and for a number of different controllers then aren't you producing something that is only 10% relevant to Joe Bloggs? (Sorry not intentially being negative). Surely you should aim it at either one language/controller or give ALL of your examples in ALL of the languages/controllers that the book says it supports. So rather than having one person looking at algorithm 'A' in 'C' then you may actually also need other people to translate it into the other platforms/languages that the book is aimed at. Otherwise it will just end up as a random collection of ideas and will not have a target market.

Who is your target?

What languages/platforms/controllers will ALL of your examples support?

I'm trying to program my controller but am I using a Mac, Windows Xp/Vista/ Linux The options are endless. I believe (and sorry if you've already stated this somewhere else), that as well as focusing on 'What the robot will do' you MUST identify who IS, and ISN'T, supported by the book.

We will try to make people how an algorithm works... but algorithms aren't based on programming languages... it's vice versa....
So... we will try to give a pseudo code as benji suggested....
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Re: a SoR project for all
« Reply #113 on: May 12, 2008, 04:49:36 PM »
Pseudo code is great - but, if you are selling a book, then you will need to make it clear that there are 'NO working examples' - only pseudo code. So your target audience will need to be smart enough to sort stuff out themselves. Sorry - not trying to be negative - just trying to be realistic.
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Re: a SoR project for all
« Reply #114 on: May 12, 2008, 05:13:46 PM »
I understand your concern Webbot but you need some sample code

You MUST have pseudo code
Then include code in either BASIC or C ( or both)
Put a comment by each line of code explaining it

Include documentation for the circuit / setup that the sample code applies to


You need sample code! Its a must , then the audience can reverse engineer it. Think about it , who would buy a book title "Book of Algorithms" - mostly people who know what an algorithm is and use microcontrollers.

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Re: a SoR project for all
« Reply #115 on: May 12, 2008, 06:21:54 PM »
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You MUST have pseudo code
Then include code in either BASIC or C ( or both)

OK Airman -  so you've my covered my concern. Pseudo code is great as some may want to convert it to Java but so long as the 'cover' says 'examples in BASIC and C' then you're covered. Whereas if its JUST pseudo code then the book won't be good for newb'ies.

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Re: a SoR project for all
« Reply #116 on: May 12, 2008, 09:54:08 PM »
we can write algorithms in C we have trickynekro who uses basic , he can translate for us . I think these 2 languages would do as these are mostly used
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Re: a SoR project for all
« Reply #117 on: May 13, 2008, 02:23:09 AM »
sure the people who would be interested in (the book of algorithms) would have a big background in programming languages and interested in the algorithm more than how to translate it into a programming language(easier part)
plus this makes the book prefered by all programmers ,,java,C,basic,matlab,lisp,,,,,,etc

so the book afterall isnt for a true newbie, its for someone who is interested in getting the second step in robotics lets say
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Re: a SoR project for all
« Reply #118 on: May 13, 2008, 04:43:50 AM »
beginner or expert anyone can see the book of algorithms and use it
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Re: a SoR project for all
« Reply #119 on: May 14, 2008, 05:41:22 PM »


Upgrading to Vista - wow - speak to you in a few weeks !!!



actually downgrading to XP from vista , lol

I still have to do that outline .......... lol I have no time ! I'll get started tonight and finish it tomorrow .
Has anyone gotten started on their article yet?
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