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remote controlled rats
« on: March 01, 2009, 11:33:24 PM »
The first video explains what is going on . . . and the second much less exciting one is what I filmed in Thailand.

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Re: remote controlled rats
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2009, 01:31:25 AM »
thats awesome yet kinda creepy. although its amazing how far technology has come to this day.
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Re: remote controlled rats
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2009, 07:50:30 AM »
they make it seem easy
I noticed that in the 1st video there aren't too many electronic components there - in fact it looks like its not even a SMD board.

The electrical impulses from the microcontroller connect to what? To the whiskers?
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Re: remote controlled rats
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2009, 12:29:46 PM »
they make it seem easy
I noticed that in the 1st video there aren't too many electronic components there - in fact it looks like its not even a SMD board.

The electrical impulses from the microcontroller connect to what? To the whiskers?
It connects to the part of the brain that normally recieves the signals from the whiskers.

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Re: remote controlled rats
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2009, 12:55:41 PM »
they make it seem easy
I noticed that in the 1st video there aren't too many electronic components there - in fact it looks like its not even a SMD board.

The electrical impulses from the microcontroller connect to what? To the whiskers?
pretty much the wires go into the head and are connected to specific nerves that make the rat want to go that way. when they press a button the rat chooses to go that way? although i think this is sorta cruel atleast they're not testing it on kittens yet and they give the rat pleasure if it does the right thing! :D
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Re: remote controlled rats
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2009, 10:58:31 AM »
I find it cruel for the rats.

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Re: remote controlled rats
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2009, 12:54:02 PM »
I find it cruel for the rats.
initially i did think that. but think about it if they were testing it on puppies? and the fact that they reward it is why i dont mind it.
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Re: remote controlled rats
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2009, 03:09:10 PM »
I kinda do feel bad for the rat but he doesnt seem to be in any kind of pain or discomfort. Plus, imagine having a button that controlled the pleasure center of your brain. Get into work in the morning and duct tape that ****ing button down!
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Re: remote controlled rats
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2009, 04:18:23 PM »
Anyone want to race RC rats?

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Re: remote controlled rats
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2009, 04:39:38 PM »
This is cool. My professor told us once about this experiment, but its way cooler to see than just hear about it in a lecture...

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Re: remote controlled rats
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2009, 01:59:15 AM »
At the MOBOT competition at CMU (the robot line following competition), cyborg animals are explicitly allowed in the rules . . .

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Re: remote controlled rats
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2009, 06:25:23 PM »
At the MOBOT competition at CMU (the robot line following competition), cyborg animals are explicitly allowed in the rules . . .

Is it even legal to do this to an animal in the states?

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Re: remote controlled rats
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2009, 07:53:47 PM »
Yes, but the rules are significantly more strict than in Thailand.

I was told that many researchers prefer to do this stuff in other countries to bypass how strict the rules are in the US.

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Re: remote controlled rats
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2009, 07:56:58 PM »
I still think it is wrong to do this on animals, but they were raised to be tested on, so I would rather it to go technology instead of some stupid new chemical someone wants to make to clean a house or makeup.

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Re: remote controlled rats
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Re: remote controlled rats
« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2009, 01:28:44 AM »
this thing should be banned...even though they cant complain but still they are living beings..we shouldn't mingle with their brains....
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Re: remote controlled rats
« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2009, 04:58:28 AM »
I find it cruel for the rats.
initially i did think that. but think about it if they were testing it on puppies? and the fact that they reward it is why i dont mind it.
Honestly what difference does it make if it's puppies or rats? They are both living animals and rats are very intelligent critters. I don't really like it but it's probably the only way we will ever fully understand our own brains.

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Re: remote controlled rats
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2009, 05:07:49 AM »
you have a point. but at least it is kind of better than testing it out on humans?
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« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2009, 08:57:24 AM »
there is no reason behind testing the neural architecture of living animals..its cruelll
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« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2009, 01:44:03 PM »
there is no reason behind testing the neural architecture of living animals..its cruelll
In my own opinion thats a very foolish thing to think. The understanding of ANY biological brain is extremely important for so many different reasons. Potentially curing so many diseases/ailments would be one of those reasons.
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Re: remote controlled rats
« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2009, 01:55:39 PM »
on what dragon said, did you mean like the saying "kill one save a thousand" lol i know its from wanted but it seems applicable to this situation!
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Re: remote controlled rats
« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2009, 07:03:57 AM »
dragon...put urslef in its place and then think...stop thinking abt others when u know that when its our turn to be in that place most of us will back out... stuy the achitecture of dead animals not living ones...
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Re: remote controlled rats
« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2009, 02:54:32 PM »
stuy the achitecture of dead animals not living ones...
it doesn't quite work that way, you need the brain to be "on"

And anyways, these rats are lab mice, they are destined and bred for experimentation - better here then testing out certain hair products or whatever.
And unless you don't take any vaccines whatsoever( which I highly doubt), then you shouldn't criticize what these scientists are doing. Vaccines needed to be tested out on animals too you know...
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Re: remote controlled rats
« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2009, 03:10:58 PM »
And unless you don't take any vaccines whatsoever( which I highly doubt), then you shouldn't criticize what these scientists are doing. Vaccines needed to be tested out on animals too you know...

And most of our medicines I'd guess. Not to mention surgery...
I agree this is a very sensitive subject, and the ethic of such experiments has to be questioned sometimes. No offense, But saying that "there is no reason behind testing the neural architecture of living animals" is being ignorant. I don't think there is a way to study the brain when it's not working. It's not like you can use a multimeter to check the connections :p And I don't think the animal is feeling pain in this experiment otherwise it would distort the result of the experiment.
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« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2009, 03:35:50 PM »
i agree...lets just leave somethings to evolution itself...comeon man killing animals for food wasnt enough...now we are breeding to experiment on them...wats the use.. jst to study neurons working...keep urself in that animal's place and then think..would you like it...

your parents gave birth to u..and instead of loving you they would have started experimenting on u..jst bcoz they are ur life give givers...would you have liked it ?? i still say doing experimentation on living animals who cannot say anything abt their approval in taking part in such experiments is highly cruel.. .

i would have preferred a human being who would have agreed to have been experimented upon rather than anyone who cannot have a say in the matter..
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Re: remote controlled rats
« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2009, 04:11:21 PM »
i would have preferred a human being who would have agreed to have been experimented upon rather than anyone who cannot have a say in the matter..
sometimes we do that, when some people are dying of a illness they let the people experiment on them and their organs. i know i would if it would benefit science. but i would probably rather donate my organs.
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Re: remote controlled rats
« Reply #26 on: April 05, 2009, 12:46:14 AM »
this is cruel! i can understand why they want to do this but they are poor little rats? i mean they are so cute! i want to find the guy who did this and solder an arduino to his head and see how he feels afterwards!

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Re: remote controlled rats
« Reply #27 on: April 05, 2009, 12:56:29 AM »
bravo...thats the answer.. .
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Re: remote controlled rats
« Reply #28 on: April 05, 2009, 01:04:27 AM »
bravo...thats the answer.. .
is that sarcasm or not? i cant really tell with the dots? but looking at your other posts im going to say its not.

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« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2009, 01:20:23 AM »
no sarcasm dear..i cmpletely agree with u..
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