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Offline jsmokerTopic starter

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Negative Voltage Regulator
« on: March 25, 2009, 11:57:39 AM »
I'm currently working on a graduate research project.  Our university electronics store has once again failed to update their inventory and are STILL out of +5V voltage regulators.  They do, however, have a -5V.  Is there any harm with just connecting a microprocessor so that -5V is on the Vss pin and the 0V is on the Vcc?  It's just a 5V potential right?

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PS  I know I can go to RadioShack, but it's not across the street like the university store is, and I would have to submit a reimbursement request instead of using a university account.

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Re: Negative Voltage Regulator
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2009, 04:59:44 PM »
It is not the same....better cycle to Radio Shack....

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Re: Negative Voltage Regulator
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2009, 05:39:32 PM »
You could use a -5v Regulator with a cmos hex inverter to get a +5v. That's how I designed my H-Brige, used inverters to get me a +5v and -5v pulse train for each pair of transistors (And the corresponding amps).

Edit: Actually...I'm not sure if you can use a -5v input on the cmos chip, can anyone confirm this?

Edit 2: Better yet, use Soeren's idea xD
« Last Edit: March 25, 2009, 05:43:41 PM by householdutensils »

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Re: Negative Voltage Regulator
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2009, 05:42:01 PM »
Hi,

Our university electronics store has once again failed to update their inventory and are STILL out of +5V voltage regulators. 
Shit happens, squeeze it and make lemonade... Err... What I meant to say was... Don't they have LM317 variable regulators or similar?


They do, however, have a -5V.  Is there any harm with just connecting a microprocessor so that -5V is on the Vss pin and the 0V is on the Vcc?  It's just a 5V potential right?
You are right... potentially.

As long as you connects the -5V to "circuit ground" and the 0V to "circuit +5V" you're good to go, IF you remember throughout the entire supply line that supply ground is positive.
An entirely possible task that you probably will blow anyway, in a stressful moment a short time before your submission is due.


PS  I know I can go to RadioShack, but it's not across the street like the university store is, and I would have to submit a reimbursement request instead of using a university account.
Reimbursement request??  It's your education, the cornerstone of your career, but don't let that inspire you to just spend a fortune (about 10% of a burger with fries) on a crucial part out of your own pocket.
Perhaps it's cheaper to get a hairdresser education or a taxi license?  ;)
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Re: Negative Voltage Regulator
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2009, 05:47:25 PM »
Hi,

You could use a -5v Regulator with a cmos hex inverter to get a +5v. [...]
No you can't.
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Re: Negative Voltage Regulator
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2009, 05:50:14 PM »
Yea, I realized that after I had posted it, because you'd need a +5v Vcc anyway xD

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Re: Negative Voltage Regulator
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2009, 06:25:02 PM »
Hi,

Actually, you could do it, but it would take a total lack of sanity to even begin such a project, as the voltage regulator in itself is enough.

You'd need to make an oscillator with both true and inverted outputs (better yet, a four quadrant oscillator, to give a bit of deadband, to increase the lousy efficiency), a couple of transistors to up the current and some "glue" components of course. Plus the negative regulator.

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Re: Negative Voltage Regulator
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2009, 06:32:35 PM »
haha might as well just drop the $1 or whatever the regulator is gonna cost ya a radioshack xD

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Re: Negative Voltage Regulator
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2009, 08:36:56 PM »
I think some (not all) of you missed my point.  I was thinking of putting the ground of the regulator on the + of the power supply on Vcc which is the positive terminal on the CMOS and the negative of the regulator input on the - of the supply and the -5V output on the Vss which is the negative terminal of the CMOS.  The net difference is +5V across Vcc to Vss as the reference...which is the specified required voltage of the dsPIC30. 

Sorry, I just wanted to clarify that I do have some logic to my suggestion.  I wasn't intending to put a -5V potential to a +5V requirement.

I figured that if I connected it so the + and - were on the corresponding traces on a PC board I wouldn't have to think about it again after the initial connection.

And for those who did follow my logic and said it wouldn't work, why is that?

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Reimbursement request??  It's your education, the cornerstone of your career, but don't let that inspire you to just spend a fortune (about 10% of a burger with fries) on a crucial part out of your own pocket.
Perhaps it's cheaper to get a hairdresser education or a taxi license?  Wink

I've made multiple reimbursement requests for over $300 for different projects.  This is part of my work as a research assistant and there are designated accounts for those projects.  Yes, $2 isn't much, but it sure can add up.

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Re: Negative Voltage Regulator
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2009, 04:45:45 PM »
Hi,

And for those who did follow my logic and said it wouldn't work, why is that?
It will work!
It wil not be a good idea though, as it sort of invites to a connection error that could kill lots of components.


I've made multiple reimbursement requests for over $300 for different projects.  This is part of my work as a research assistant and there are designated accounts for those projects.  Yes, $2 isn't much, but it sure can add up.
Sorry, I thought you were making your final project and in that context, I wouldn't even think twice to throw $300 at it - in fact, I spend several times that amount, when I took my engineering degree (and the ridiculous amount granted from the academy, I didn't max out).

My personal (hobby if you will) stock cotains around 400..500 µconrollers, a similar amount of voltage regulators etc. In short, I don't compromise on my hobbies/intrrests.

I would thing you could find a regulator for $1 btw.
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Re: Negative Voltage Regulator
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2009, 12:49:53 AM »
wow, thats a bit expensive. i get my 7805's for about 20-25c each. and do you know how long until the university get more in stock?
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Re: Negative Voltage Regulator
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2009, 12:43:24 AM »
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I know I can go to RadioShack, but it's not across the street like the university store is, and I would have to submit a reimbursement request instead of using a university account.
Dood, you go to University of MD, and RadioShack is like a 5 min drive from your lab :P

(I know because I bought my $50 Robot parts from there)

 


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