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Offline montyTopic starter

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Project on Magnetic Tape following - AGV
« on: April 06, 2009, 06:07:34 AM »
dear friends:

Hi !!

for our college project we have to make a magnetic tape following BOT.
it should be able to haul 100kgs from point A to point B.
we are at the mech. design stage. we have proposed the following:
2 independent servo powered rear wheels [100 Watt X 2] & 1 front wheel which
will have a steering mechanish to follow the magnetic tape.
Rear wheel will be as follows [2 sets] - wheel - pillow block - coupling - servo.
Is this workable ?? or anyone has better design options.
guidence will be appreciated.

monty




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Re: Project on Magnetic Tape following - AGV
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2009, 07:10:30 AM »
wat do u mean by magnetic tape following bot.. ?? ..do u mean a black line.. can aservo drive such huge weight..? i didnt know..

better go for wheel chair motors...with appropriate motor controllers...
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Re: Project on Magnetic Tape following - AGV
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2009, 01:55:23 PM »
not black tape superchiku magnetic tape, its a tape that it magnetised, and servos can come in sizes that big but are expensive. wheel chair motors are a good suggestion but then you need a motor driver :-\
and to monty, have you considered differential drive for this? also, what microcontroller are you using?
programming experience?
knowledge of electronics?
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Re: Project on Magnetic Tape following - AGV
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2009, 02:00:05 PM »
i know the meaning of magnetic tape...but what do u mean by following a magnetic tape..
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Re: Project on Magnetic Tape following - AGV
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2009, 02:10:33 PM »
i know the meaning of magnetic tape...but what do u mean by following a magnetic tape..
he may be able to use something that picks up a magnetic field? or just use a normal line following robot, who can tell that its using the magnetic part anyways...
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Re: Project on Magnetic Tape following - AGV
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2009, 02:45:53 PM »
You don't need a steered wheel if you have two independently driven rear wheels (differential drive).  Just use a swivel caster for your third wheel.  In my experience 100W motors may be a little small for a 100 kg load, but that depends on how quickly you want to be able to start and stop, surface, inclines, etc.  I think they would be fine for a slow bot on a hard flat surface.

Also, for my yard robot, which easily handles a 100 kg load (e.g. my fat butt), I used wheelchair motors and constructed the frame from 1 1/4" square steel tubing (0.083" wall thickness).
« Last Edit: April 06, 2009, 02:48:59 PM by ArcMan »

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Re: Project on Magnetic Tape following - AGV
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2009, 05:37:01 AM »
YA; i guess  two independently driven rear wheels (differential drive) is a better idea; but will it not need somthing more stable than a swivel caster in front ??.
the tape is magnetic guide tape - on the AGV a guide sensor is mounted on front which gives a signal of analog singal corrosponding to the deviation from centre of tape. more later

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Re: Project on Magnetic Tape following - AGV
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2009, 06:02:44 AM »
I'm not sure I know what you mean.  More stable?  What is unstable about a swivel caster?  Because it swivels?  It needs to swivel so that it will align to the direction that the differential drive is taking it.  I used two swivel casters for my yard robot, but that was for rough terrain, and I need to keep my mower deck level.  I don't recommend 2 swivel casters for flat smooth terrain because one wheel could be left hanging in the air if your frame is rigid.

An analog off-center sensor is good.  You can use PID control to follow the line.  I recently did this for my line-following maze robot.
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Re: Project on Magnetic Tape following - AGV
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2009, 08:19:20 AM »
Well if you are going at a considerable speed then a three wheeled vehicle could end up falling over. Then again, wheel chairs aren't the fastest things in the world and I have yet to see a swivel wheel tip over when trailing.
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Re: Project on Magnetic Tape following - AGV
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2009, 05:29:44 AM »
dear all:

thanks for advice, PID control can be implemented with
analogue output of magnetic tape. which controller you
suggest to take care of all I/O in such a case. And
is there any algorithim available to care of this control.

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Re: Project on Magnetic Tape following - AGV
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2009, 01:25:53 PM »
Almost any microcontroller with analog inputs can be used to perform PID control.  Folks on this group mostly use AVRs and PICs.  I'm a PIC guy myself.  I recently implemented PID line-following control on a PIC 18F programmed in C.  Took 3rd place in a contest with it, too  :)

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Re: Project on Magnetic Tape following - AGV
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2009, 03:44:47 AM »
dear arcman:

you seem to be doing good with prizes and all.

is this ok - PIC18F1220- what other periferal devices will be
needed along with this.

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Re: Project on Magnetic Tape following - AGV
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2009, 04:01:39 AM »
do you want to know what will be needed in full? like parts?
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Re: Project on Magnetic Tape following - AGV
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2009, 10:32:34 AM »
dear arcman:

you seem to be doing good with prizes and all.

is this ok - PIC18F1220- what other periferal devices will be
needed along with this.

monty
Actually, not a great choice.  I would go with something like a 16F876A for this job.  It has analog inputs for your sensor and couple of ways to command a motor drive (serial, PWM), and more I/O points for other sensors.
At a minimum, you need the sensor (which you have), a microcontroller, a motor drive and motors/gears/wheels.


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Re: Project on Magnetic Tape following - AGV
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2009, 12:59:05 AM »
MOnty,

What the progress your project right now?

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Re: Project on Magnetic Tape following - AGV
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2009, 05:36:10 AM »
Hello Monty,

nice project you are doing. Can you help me out to let me know how to detect magnetic field by using which kind of sensor and what kind of tape you are using. from where i can get this sensor and tape.

regards
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Re: Project on Magnetic Tape following - AGV
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2010, 11:06:50 PM »
dear all:

can u help me - how to implement PID control for this BOT.

monty

 


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