### Author Topic: mistake in meachnics gear tutorial?  (Read 2061 times)

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#### cervantes

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##### mistake in meachnics gear tutorial?
« on: March 15, 2016, 01:12:17 PM »
Hi

I just started to read whole website.
On page: http://www.societyofrobots.com/mechanics_gears.shtml I think there is a mistake.
In section Compound Gears there is a formula for torque gear calculation:

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In this example, what minimum torque does the motor need to pull the weight up?

writing down the equations:

simplifying, we get:

so therefore the minimum required motor torque is
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BUT THE UNITS are not ok...? how can moment can be compare to load (mass)?....
can someone verify my opinion?

#### bdeuell

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##### Re: mistake in meachnics gear tutorial?
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2016, 08:25:41 PM »
you are correct there are several errors, below are what the equations should be.

writing down the equations:
torque_gear2  = torque_gear3

simplifying, we get:

so therefore the minimum required motor torque is

as radius_gear3 = r and radius_gear2 = r you can further reduce the equation to

Also weight has the units of force not mass.

#### cervantes

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##### Re: mistake in meachnics gear tutorial?
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2016, 08:57:46 PM »
thank you!

sorry for this kind of question but is the second part (about velocity) correct ? (I haven't analyzed it yet)

#### bdeuell

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##### Re: mistake in meachnics gear tutorial?
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2016, 09:14:32 PM »
i took a quick glance through the velocity equations and i didn't see any errors.

#### cervantes

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##### Re: mistake in meachnics gear tutorial?
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2016, 12:52:52 PM »
thanks

I am little in doubt regarding torque calcuation
I follow with your solution trying to apply it to situation presented in attachment

I also received result the same as it was in first case however it is a little bit changed:

That's why I am not sure if I did it correctly or in the fact website example is 100% correctly solved?

Sorry for my curiosity but I like to investigate things which are not fully yet cleared to me, thank you for your help

#### bdeuell

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##### Re: mistake in meachnics gear tutorial?
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2016, 05:09:58 PM »

gear 2 and pulley 3 are attached with a shaft so the torques will be equal

torque_gear2=torque_gear3

#### cervantes

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##### Re: mistake in meachnics gear tutorial?
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2016, 11:45:03 AM »

can you check it ?

#### cervantes

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##### Re: mistake in meachnics gear tutorial?
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2016, 12:16:55 PM »

gear 2 and pulley 3 are attached with a shaft so the torques will be equal

torque_gear2=torque_gear3

hmmm.. but radiuses are different... it shall affect the Force value isn't it?
can not understand it correctly :/

#### bdeuell

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##### Re: mistake in meachnics gear tutorial?
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2016, 02:02:05 PM »

can you check it ?

looks correct to me

gear 2 and pulley 3 are attached with a shaft so the torques will be equal

torque_gear2=torque_gear3

hmmm.. but radiuses are different... it shall affect the Force value isn't it?
can not understand it correctly :/

when you are driving a pulley or gear at the outer diameter (technically the pitch diameter) you set the tangential forces equal to each other (Force=Torque/radius)

when a pulley or gear is connected with a shaft the torques will be equal