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Offline fhad123Topic starter

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underwater robot
« on: June 03, 2008, 03:40:41 AM »
hi every body
can anyone help me how can i have a wireless underwater robot???

how can i make wirless under water

please if you know help me

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Re: underwater robot
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2008, 07:03:03 AM »
I googled around a bit and it seems to be a bit tricky. There are apparently RC that works down to 3 meters (9 ft) but that is in pure water (no salt water or chlorine). Sounds like a big aqarium might be a good place to start...  :)
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Re: underwater robot
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2008, 02:41:29 AM »
well Laura's making an Underwater Explorer thingy.

Although i don't know how it work exactually, ill get her to post here for you.

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Re: underwater robot
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2008, 05:24:23 PM »
Electromagnetic waves (a wireless signal) travels poorly through water.

You will find range won't exceed past a few meters unless you use high powered transmitters.

What range and data do you have planned?

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Re: underwater robot
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2008, 07:44:02 PM »
Errr, I can't help sorry. My bot is not RC.
But i was thinking what about a rc car remote (or similair) then extend the arial under the water.
Whould that inprove reception?
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Re: underwater robot
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2008, 08:07:52 PM »
Yea, if your transmitter was underwater, that would *definitely* improve the range.

The surface of water is like a mirror and reflects a lot of the signal. So if you put the transmitter underwater, no more reflection.

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Re: underwater robot
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2008, 10:35:40 PM »
Underwater communications can be done with with audio sound waves. Sonar is what you'll need to look at.
Basically you could use piezoelectric transceivers (cheap under water wafer, that converts electrical signals to sound, and vise-versa). You would want to use a signal within the range of human hearing, but a 5k Hz signal is a good place to start. if you keep the transmission at a digital format (one's and zeros) then communication electronics would need to be changed from radio frequencies to sonar frequencies. you would need to have your remote control unit, configured for sonar and the transceiver for that unit will need to be in the water; along with your sub. Sound waves, at a given signal strength, will travel farther in water; than in the air (deals with the density of the sound media, i.e. water has a higher density than air). Fresh of salt water will not make any measurable difference in signal performance. In simplest terms, the piezoelectric transceiver replaces you antenna. You can get piezoelectric kits for cheap. There are also experimental kits available which will give you some insights. IMPORTANT NOTE: the transceiver is waterproof BUT the electronic connections are NOT.

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Re: underwater robot
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2008, 12:11:20 PM »
sonar comm. might be useful for some applications of control, but getting telemetry and video would be very hard and somewhat unreliable.

i'm building a tethered vehicle first because 1.) i really have no desire to lose it in the river; 2.) it's great for prototyping; 3.)  it's about 60 libs

if you're looking for something small to tool around with in the swimming pool, i'd suggest hacking some of the toys on the market just like you'd play with for ground vehicles.

just getting one of these guys shows you the effectiveness of the transmitter through water and also gets an idea about power/speed/control authority.


 

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