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Well I finally got back to the electronics after about a month long detour real life interruption. All kinds of stuff slowed my progress on this session. But I got stuff done nonetheless. 0603 LED to 0805 resistor and some nickel strip leads coming off. Tested and working. This will be the indicator light for when the lowside mosfet comes on for one section of the custom BLDC motor controller. 0603 LEDs are extremely tiny for hand soldering and they don't take solder well either. I was originally going to go with blue LEDs but chatgpt said that would give off a unrealistic color through the silicone skin so orange would be better to give a more natural and less silicone skin piercing indicator light. Somehow I ran out of 470ohm resistors so I had to order more and I used my 200ohm ones instead for now. Which are a bit too bright. But chatgpt said I can diffuse the LED with a glob of silicone tinted black to darken and diffuse the light it gives off which sounds like a good idea to me. I am planning to use wire wrapping wire to come off of this assembly and tie into things. Somehow just attaching these two parts and testing it took me almost 3 hours. Between studying the schematic to refresh my memory on what is going on, visualizing placement options, overheating and destroying one LED, trying to locate the right color LEDs, shopping for replacement 470ohm resistors, researching and substituting in 200ohm resistors, discussing LED color options with chatgpt, figuring out how to solder a 0603 LED directly to a 0805 resistor part to part by hand, accidentally breaking a part off of its nickel strip lead and having to redo the connection, etc etc. All of it just crawls. Hard to stay patient with electronics sometimes and I do things in inefficient ways often. Learning what can and aught not to be done is tough from a patience perspective. But I insist on trial and error and experimentation which takes time. I just need to get into a daily habit to stick with it till completion. It's all complicated. Trying to figure out how to electronically isolate it all next. Thinking of using lamination plastic taped around it all so I can still see it all and visually troubleshoot. Also I'm considering how I can use solder wick braid as a heat pipe for each mosfet and run that over to the liquid cooling system. But it can't conduct. So thermally it can conduct but electrically it can't. Trying to figure out whether to create a barrier of micah or just thermal silicone for this and the routing needed. Also considering if I need mini coaxial shielded cable for the wiring of each or just regular wire wrapping wire when going from microcontroller to mosfets etc. Also trying to figure out if I need hall effect sensors or back emf reading or no feedback but my potentiometer and the implications of each option. Just so much to consider in all of this. And all of those considerations also slow things down even more as I have to make decisions on it all. It's quite overwhelming.

I started some testing on some subsections of the BLDC motor controller and ran into some problems and learned several things. I'm working with chatgpt to resolve each issue and have been updating my schematic to reflect alot of the changes I am making. One thing I learned is that for the high side switch, the voltage from gate to source has to be 10-12v higher than the drain voltage because the drain voltage becomes the same as the source voltage once the switch is on. The voltage from gate to source then either has to start out as motor input voltage + 12 while still fitting within the voltage from gate to source max allowed voltage as stated by the datasheet or it has to rise dynamically as the source voltage rises such that the voltage from gate to source is 12 more than the source voltage as the source voltage rises to become the drain voltage. Fortunately, I can have the former for this 2430 motor since I can use 6-8.4v to supply the motor and the voltage from gate to source max value is 20v. This means I can use voltage from gate to source of 20v and this, when mosfet is first switched on, does not fry mosfet but as the source rises to become 8.4v, 20v-8.4v is still 11.6v which is sufficiently high to enable the mosfet to still stay on without anything dynamic set up. If I want to go with a 12v motor supply on some of the bigger motors later on, I will need a bootstrap circuit to supply the highside mosfet with a dynamic voltage from gate to source that rises when source voltage rises. So I added that schematic diagram to this as well as an option. I also can use a mosfet driver for this but was hoping to cut that cost and added volume taken up by just using discrete components rather than a IC for this.



Anyways, to break things down even more in testing, I decided to just test turning on and off a single highside mosfet using a pair of lab power supplies, one to provide 20v and one to provide 8.4v. To turn on I connected the gate and source to my 20v lab power supply and I connected my red alligator clip of my 8.4v lab power supply to the drain and then measured from source to the black lead of the 8.4v power supply and verified 8v on that test which worked - proving the mosfet was in fact on. I then removed the black alligator clip of the 20v lab power supply from source and shorted the source to the gate to drain the internal capacitor inside the mosfet and then tested from source to the black 8.4v clip and sure enough it was near 0v so was off. But it did gradually climb back up to 8.4v after the short from gate to source was removed due to capacitive coupling and leakage according to chatgpt. So I will need to add a 10k ohm resistor between gate and source pins to short it automatically and keep it fully drained and off fully when it's supposed to be off.



So I plan to just gradually add components little by little and test after each thing is added to ensure it is working right still after each little change and this way gradually build out the circuit, proving each thing works as we go. This is because things have all these gotchas and "oh you didn't know this little detail?" that keeps coming up and proves it was more complicated than I thought. So I just have to prove every little thing as I go. To try to find out what is wrong after the whole thing is built would be WAY harder than to figure out what went wrong when a single component is added and it was working before said component was added. So that's how I will be able to overcome this challenge best I feel.



Note: Reminder: I am building a custom BLDC motor controller because an off the shelf one would not have enough miniaturization to fit into the tight space constraints I have to work with. Also, building my own gives my software more precise control of every little advancement of the rotating magnetic field and along with that I'll have the ability to PWM the advancements to make them more smooth, less noisy, and have torque control as well this way which means the fingers can be rough and fast in movement as needed or slow and gentle and dainty or slow but powerful etc. I can also create acceleration profiles that match human finger joint acceleration in order to have the movements look very natural just like a human's movements which is very important to me. Just alot of fine precision is possible when its all my own circuit I feel. While off the shelf ones may have some of this functionality, the price often reflects that and is then prohibitive. But in any case nothing is off the shelf with this level of control AND the ability to so finely tune its form factor and volume envelope to fit my exact needs in space on a per motor basis.

I installed two tensioners for the robot and they were seriously successful overall in testing. So much so that I am now confident enough in the entire pulley system to move onto the custom mini BLDC motor controller to get the motor to run motorized tests of finger movements next. Well after a couple very minor tweaks that is.



So the first tensioner I installed on the extension part of the index finger joint we are working on. I used the bracelet cord folded in half and fishing crimp sleeved then sewn into the bone fabric. It seems just about perfect except for one thing: I want to keep it under mild constant tension but the bone fabric creeps/moves slowly when put under constant tension like this because it is taped into place on the bone after all. The tape is allowing the movement. This means it does not stay put and my anchor points move over time so I can't set a tension and rely on it staying at that tension long term. To resolve this I need a mechanical connection at the tension point anchoring location.









To mechanically connect my anchor point, I have decided to use tiny self tapping screws. I have avoided screwing into the bones till now but I'm making an exception here. The screws won't be going that deep and the finger bones are unlikely to break anyways IMO. So I feel comfortable with this. Here's the screws I ordered for this from Amazon:









Next, I created a tensioner for the middlemost archimedes pulley. That pulley was creating significant drag and slowing down the finger extension during testing due to rope friction. So adding a tensioner line to pull it back down toward the fingers during extension was my solution for this. It worked amazingly well. To make this, first I tied off a fishing hook eye to the bottom of the radius bone just above where my TPFE guide tubing entrance is. Then I glued a 7cm piece of bracelet cord to a piece of 6lb test .08mm braided pe fishing line with 401 glue. I secured the top of the bracelet cord to the top of the archimedes pulley system and then threaded the other end through the fishing hook eye and back up and to the bottom of the archimedes pulley where I tied it off. So it ties off at top, comes down to bottom, goes through the fishing eye then comes back up and connects to my pulley. It creates just enough downward pull to delete the rope drag slowing down that pulley from coming down and this enables the system to unwind and extend back to its starting point after each time I contracts/pulls upward to cause finger contraction. This means the finger extension now happens swiftly with no hangups and the whole archimedes pulley system is now under constant tension at all times which keeps things neat and prevents tangling issues pre-emptively. This rig was a massive success and took up hardly ANY space at all.  I put the post it notes behind the archimedes pulley tensioner so you can see it. It's hard to see otherwise without a contrasting backdrop. It works amazingly well.

Ok I figured out a bit easier way: tie a knot at each end of the strip of bracelet cord and then tie my nylon thread off onto the bracelet cord inside that bracelet cord knot. The bracelet cord knot on each end acts as an endstop. Seems to work great so far and cuts down on materials this way over the previous way I proposed.

So in recent testing a fresh issue I ran into was the TPFE tubing would start gradually pulling through its tightly wrapped tape sleeve to my surprise. Its low friction surface gradually pulls free of the tape over time. To resolve this, I decided to thread through the tip of the tubing to create a mechanical bond for the tip and once threaded through I just 401 glued down the ends of each thread onto the sleeve that was originally supposed to hold it in place to begin with. This seems to work great so far in the little bit of testing I've done since.